Can trans people tell me what the criteria for a woman is excluding self identification (facts do not rely on self belief)?

Oh, I know the stock answers, the boobs, the womb, the inny instead of an outty and of course the all time favourite answers; the ability to bleed once a month and to have lots of lovely Jehovah Witness babies to continue that church’s abuse. All valid (apart from the JW Church, nothing validates their abuses in the name of faith).

While it might well annoy Wazzer that I use feelings as my answer, and while I pour scorn on the bleeding and childbirth answers (remember, many woman are born barren for a multitude of reasons including and not limited to being born without a womb for example), feelings has to be the main answer. I’m so sorry I can’t provide easy to understand evidence such as X-ray or CT scans, because such a tests has yet to be discovered.

Of course far more complicated, being transgender is nevertheless similar. I trot along to my therapist and say that “I believe I am a woman” That therapist, if any good at their job, won’t tell you an opinion themselves, they will furnish the individual the ability to find the answers themselves. Once everyone is in the same place, then treatment begins. But that treatment is dependent on my feelings to start with, and the therapist’s feelings as they write their reports. It doesn’t stop there of course, there’s other doctors, surgeons and second opinions to consider but all will use my feelings as a guide and then their own feelings that this person born in a male body is in fact, a woman (or man born in a woman’s body).

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Interestingly, it’s attracted the usual online trolls who hate everything to do with the transgender world; Marc Lawrence for example who represents a church that allows abuse of women and children. Hardly the moral authority on any subject is he? And then there’s Jenny-somebody who was in the US Army or similar, she’s the person who ensured that their flag was ironed properly every morning; in other words she knows as much about the transgender world as I do about the American military.

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Another example. You have a headache. Now, assume it’s not a cerebral haemorrhage or similar that can be measured by CT scan, let’s say you have a common, run of the mill headache and you ask me for painkillers. How do you prove the pain? There’s nothing physically for me to fall back upon, I have to trust your feelings that you are indeed in pain and require pain relief. It’s a subjective display that will convince me, not objective in any sense of the word, yet nobody would doubt you, would they?

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Well, as being a woman in my mind is not confined to childbirth and family rearing despite my apparent aptitude for those functions, I feel we must look beyond the boobs and fanny answer, or bleeding and child birth, and look for answers that sadly, must come from feelings alone.

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So, instead I will answer this question by saying, how can we define what is not female?

Can trans people tell me what the criteria for a woman is excluding self identification (facts do not rely on self belief)

While I never gave birth admittedly, I brought up children, took them to hospital for care and treatment, went to parents evenings, drove them to parties and interviews, supported them through break ups and celebrated triumphs - all as a woman. Apart from popping a baby from my nether regions, what haven’t I done that a birth mother can do?

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Is it limited to those who are impregnated and pass something the size of a bowling ball out of an orifice the size of a vibrator (other examples exist of course)? Well, that could be argued I suppose, but where does that leave adoptive parents? Don’t they love and bring up children who in turn call them “mum” or whatever name your country uses for a female parent?

But he asks a good question and Marcie- Lawrency-baby has followed it up by throwing in objective and subjective terms, in a desperate attempt to sound educated. However, he’d be better off concentrating on keeping his wife and twenty six terrified and abused children under his dominating thumb, lest he show them another of his many transvestite pictures.

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So, to take it to my logical progression, I brought up two children as a single woman; now, just because I was born with different plumbing does it make a difference when my children regard me as more of a mother than their own birth mother? To go further, I’m a granny as well now, those three boys regard me as a granny, not a pseudo granny, so why should ANY third party opinions matter in the slightest to them?

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But it does seem that our esteemed host - Wazzer-thingy - asks question after question about the transgender world.

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So until then, we must trust people actually trained to discover a person’s true gender - the therapists and the doctors - and let’s not allow ourselves to be swayed by internet trolls or representatives of a church that condones abuse of children and women.

But take my mum, a fragile 82 year old, she no longer has a womb, she can’t have periods and she can’t have a baby. Does that mean she is no longer a woman because she cannot perform nature’s preprogramming! Well, here Wazzer no doubt will answer because my mum once could carry out the said functions, she retains her womanhood. That’s nice.

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Some might feel he’s a closet transgender himself, battling hard against his inner self to try to convince a doubting world that he is as straight as his manhood when he watches trans-porn; but personally I think he’s just a trouble making jerk, desperate for the adoration he has achieved with his poorly crafted questions.

Before I start that, back to objective and subjective evidence. Objective is usually measurable, for example a broken leg can be measured objectively by an X-ray for example (as well as the inability to move without help and general agony etc). But actually being a woman yet born in a male shell cannot be measured in a similar way can it? Because there is no physical symptoms that show a person’s declared gender, therefore we are forced - despite the OP saying we shouldn’t - to use feelings as a subjective tool alone.